SANDBALL
A conversation tonight about sports and rules...
[00:59] MichelleWie: he used to live in saudi arabia. he played on the coures there - they had no grass.
[00:59] ErnieEls: ah ok
[00:59] MichelleWie: he had to carry a piece of astroturf around w/ him to hit off of
[01:00] MichelleWie: how weird is that?
[01:02] ErnieEls: that's cheating
[01:03] MichelleWie: says legal ErnieEls
[01:03] MichelleWie: not according to saudi rules
[01:04] ErnieEls: that's not golf
[01:04] ErnieEls: not following the pga
[01:04] MichelleWie: neither is playing on sand and dirt
[01:05] ErnieEls: yes it is
[01:05] ErnieEls: haha
[01:05] ErnieEls: well that's a moot point
[01:05] MichelleWie: moo
[01:05] ErnieEls: but not following the rules is a valid point
[01:05] ErnieEls: moving the ball by hand is definitely a violation
[01:06] MichelleWie: but you're not playing on a course that follows pga regulations
[01:06] MichelleWie: so the policies served by the rules are no longer valid
[01:06] ErnieEls: so you're just proving my point more
[01:07] MichelleWie: ergo, pga rules can't apply
[01:07] ErnieEls: the point that "that's not golf"
[01:07] MichelleWie: no, you're pt was "that's cheating"
[01:07] MichelleWie: our
[01:07] MichelleWie: your
[01:07] ErnieEls: "that's not golf" i said
[01:07] MichelleWie: preceded by "that's cheating"
[01:07] ErnieEls: it's cheating if it claims to be
[01:08] ErnieEls: if someone calls it golf...then he was cheating
[01:08] ErnieEls: so if it's not cheating, it isn't golf
[01:08] MichelleWie: just bc it doesn't conform to the pga means that it's not golf?
[01:08] ErnieEls: yes
[01:08] MichelleWie: really?
[01:08] ErnieEls: yes
[01:09] ErnieEls: golf is defined as "playing a ball with a club from the teeing ground into the hole by a stroke or successive strokes in accordance with the Rules"
[01:09] ErnieEls: The "Rules of Golf" are internationally standardized.
[01:09] MichelleWie: courses have special rules
[01:10] ErnieEls: those are like amendments
[01:10] ErnieEls: a course cannot alter the constitution (read: Rules)
[01:10] ErnieEls: these rules are defined by the R&A and USGA
[01:11] ErnieEls: it's internationally standardized
[01:11] ErnieEls: so what you're saying is like saudi arabia claiming that a gram does not weigh a gram
[01:11] ErnieEls: so therefore it isn't a gram
[01:12] MichelleWie: so...what was golf before the pga?
[01:12] ErnieEls: he must have been playing molf or wolf
[01:12] ErnieEls: the R&A
[01:12] MichelleWie: and that is...
[01:12] ErnieEls: Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews
[01:13] ErnieEls: they rule golf everywhere except USA and Mexico
[01:13] ErnieEls: but they join with the USGA to internationally standardize the rules
[01:13] ErnieEls: i'm not making this up btw :)
[01:13] MichelleWie: but there was golf before the R&A
[01:13] ErnieEls: umm...well not really
[01:13] MichelleWie: what do you mean not really
[01:13] ErnieEls: unless you count the Society of St. Andrews Golfers
[01:13] MichelleWie: why did the R&A come into existence?
[01:13] ErnieEls: which became the R&A
[01:14] ErnieEls: ok...another point...saudi arabia didn't have golf when the R&A was formed
[01:14] ErnieEls: so it must be molf they are playing
[01:15] ErnieEls: but it ain't golf
[01:15] MichelleWie: of course it's golf!
[01:15] ErnieEls: i just proved that it isn't
[01:15] ErnieEls: it's some other similar game
[01:15] ErnieEls: with different rules
[01:15] MichelleWie: no you didn't
[01:15] MichelleWie: ahaha
[01:15] ErnieEls: the rules define the game
[01:15] MichelleWie: the game defines the rules
[01:16] MichelleWie: ok. if you're playing baseball w/ chairs for bases, are you stll playing baseball?
[01:16] ErnieEls: it's like saying you're playing basketball if you throw the ball upwards through the hoop
[01:16] ErnieEls: that's not baseball
[01:16] ErnieEls: that's chairball or something
[01:16] MichelleWie: that's basketball, sure
[01:16] MichelleWie: you're just not going to score that way
[01:16] ErnieEls: no...that's UNbasketball
[01:16] MichelleWie: and of course that baseball
[01:17] MichelleWie: soooo...if during a game, the ball goes upwards, that's not basketball?
[01:17] MichelleWie: that's just bball not in accordance w/ the rules
[01:17] ErnieEls: ok...but the difference here is that in saudi arabia it's like they are saying you score when the ball goes backwards through the hoop
[01:17] ErnieEls: so it's not golf
[01:17] ErnieEls: not if it counts as a score
[01:18] ErnieEls: not golf...sorry
[01:18] MichelleWie: it's the game of golf
[01:18] ErnieEls: no...it's the game of saudi arabia's creation
[01:18] ErnieEls: sandball i shall call it
[01:18] ErnieEls: sounds cooler
[01:18] MichelleWie: sandball
[01:19] MichelleWie: shesh
[01:19] ErnieEls: it shall now be called sandball from here until eternity
[01:19] ErnieEls: i'd like to try sandball....sounds similar to golf
[01:19] MichelleWie: *head explodes*
[01:19] ErnieEls: lol!!
[01:19] MichelleWie: lol
[01:19] ErnieEls: "ErnieEls...you are a genius"
[01:20] MichelleWie: no, you're "cool"
So the bigger question here is...why is there both Baseball and Softball?
3 Comments:
Obviously, there was a malfunction in the baseball making machine where they produced an excess of abnormally large baseballs. So they made up softball to use them up. Waste isn't good.
So are you saying that in Saudi Arabia that they ran out of grass and had to use a piece of astroturf? What resourcefulness!
my gosh people. get a life! :)
I'm with audrey. It's golf. It's not USGA golf, but it's golf. I mean, it's close enough. I think the critical point came here:
[01:15] ErnieEls: the rules define the game
[01:15] MichelleWie: the game defines the rules
It's a bit of both. Rules typically come into existence after a game has been created. But without rules a game isn't really a game. It's a symbiotic relationship.
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